1% rule

First of all I am not even 67+ so I'm not affected by this, therefore don't care what the outcome of this is, I just want people to be aware of the effect of the 1% rule.

Before the rule, kIkA used to get 1.1kk (including horn usage) for selling all the drops from BK, and doing all the work. I think most people will find this fair, considering the work it takes to sell the drops.
After the rule, when angelswings is introduced, it now changes to 1%. Since the 1% rule started, the money taken from shares for BK work has averaged 4.991.000, which is 2.495.500 each, minus shouts which will be around 2.4kk each.

I agree, taking 5kk away from the shares really doesn't add up to much when it's shared between 150+ people, but the fact is, kIkA is getting more money for doing less work. I don't think that's fair, I think 1kk is enough for doing BK work, and if she introduces angelswings to help sell BK drops then I don't think she should be getting more money from the drops because she is doing less work...

Since the rule was introduced, the smallest amount taken from BK has been 2.455.000(1.227.500 each minus horns) while the largest has been 7.565.000(3.782.500 each minus horns). That's a lot of reward for selling drops...

I think they should both get 1.1kk each,

=\ ure post took alot more math skills than my last one anyhowww technically angels been helping for a long time w/out any type of rewards.. so really its the same amount of works its always been.. alot.. ya 1% averages out to anywhere from 3-6kk more than the 1kk she was getting.. divided by 2.. only 1.5-3kk more than she was getting.. as its already been stated.. w/ kika bla bla we are guarenteed our shares.. at the best possible prices.. in the shortest amount of time.. we change that.. we risk loosing that..

I'm not saying they should change the seller, I'm saying getting 1kk is
enough reward for selling drops. They do it at least two times a week,
which if taken the average, will get almost 5kk each on top of the
actual share, saying "only" is quite an understatement, it's quite a
lot of reward for selling drops each week.

Don't get me wrong I know it's a lot of work, but halving the work and increasing the reward at the same time seems quite unfair to me...

llama, i respect your opinion. I for one want to Thank you for posting here and saying what you did. While I dont know who your char name is, at least someone stood up and voiced their concern instead of ranting like a child. So thank you.
I have tried to stay as far out of the limelight of this as possible because i absolutely hate drama and BS, but I have seen so much happen since all of this came into play. I have seen SS's of people cussing kika out, seen people deather lure her and her parties... the other night their party went thru 7 RB's because LittleBullet aka PeppY(reportedly same person) deathlured them repeatedly all the while saying kika is a BossKill scammer etc. Those Characters aren't blacklisted... they dont come regularly to Emok kills... so whats their beef? they haven't came here or to KalHq to talk about it... if people don't speak up, then they have no voice. I've seen kika get blamed and harrassed about the nails getting taken down "too early" as if she, on her own, ran up and killed them. *evil kika... no doughnut for you * like its all some big plot to take over the world. I have seen so much crap, all over her trying to keep it as fair and open and honest as possible. I'm not saying that we should all Hail kika and glorify her for her ability to endure the crap... But enough is enough. What is it that we can do to keep people happy. What can we do that will make the BS stop. If we make one group happy by taking names off the BL, we are flamed for playing favorites or supporting scammers... If we keep them listed, were harrassed for not being fair. Half the time our own guild isn't allowed to bid on drops cause she's flamed for selling it too cheap or playing favorites. No matter whats done, its disputed by someone. There isn't one person in this game that will be able to take on this task and not catch flack over something. its all part and partial... Package deal.
What kika does isn't Organizing Boss Kills, its organizing the sale and share distribution from the kills... She has nothing to do with the kills themselves other than helping me keep our party alive. THAT is her job at the kills. Nothing more. She can't control who kills the nails or what time it's done or who comes or who gets the drops... the party that picks up the drops chose to give kika the drops to sell and thats when she takes control of the Kill. I think kika has it set up very well between the website and email etc. nothing happens that isn't recorded.
This job isn't about friends or favorites. There is a job to do. just like in real life. People are going to get mad or their feelings hurt. Did your party not get their share? Don't deathlure me or shout about kika being a scammer or refuse to party with one of our guild mates because YOU failed to hold up your end of the business deal. When I do SS's I do it as best as i can. I'm not perfect, noone is. But i have been trying to do better in helping those that I have refused share on. I have tried to do better about replying to the email and letting them know why their party failed to qualify. Is it my fault you didn't check the web or your email? Why should I be talked down to because of your failure to act? We know that things happen. we have tried to be lenient when we can but at some point you have to stick to the rules for everyone or throw the rules out the window. Can't do both.
Money... blah... What amount is fair. Should it be done for free? I don't think so. No matter if its kika or Darky or Lord... Everything that is put into keeping shares fair deserves to be rewarded. The time taken away from laundry or playing kal or checking email or scratching your ass... Noone IMO should be expected to put this much time/work into game for free. No matter who is organizing the sales/share distrubutions, they should be rewarded for their efforts IF they are doing it fairly and honestly. How much is fair? Its a matter of opinion. I don't believe that 1kk is quite enough for one person to do so much work. But thats my opinion. Do I think 1% is fair? LOL somedays yes. somedays no. No matter what happens, I will continue to help kika... its not about the money... I did it when i wasn't getting 1% I'm doing it now, and I will keep doing it even if it changes. Kika didn't decide on the 1%. Someone else did. The tank party said for kika to keep 1% for her work. So then we get people who are upset about that... well we tank sometimes, we didn't get to decide... or we all should have a say... not just the highlevels that happen to get agro.... or whatever the argument.
So I am asking you all now... What is fair. Before rash decisions, please remember to take into consideration all that comes with the job. take a moment to think of you yourself doing the job and all that comes with it and think about what would make it worth it for you to do this twice a week or more. keeping it all straight and fair and trying to please as many as you can. I can promise you that NOONE will do this job for free for long. some may say they will, but let them catch the hell, and the emails, and the shouts, and the deathlures, and the posts and the claims that others in the past have and see if they stick with it. Is 1kk fair? Is 1%? is 3kk? I also ask that you be mature about this... post your thoughts... concerns. If people don't speak then they aren't heard. i'd rather you speak up and tell me if something is wrong like an adult, then act all fine and then talk shit about me behind my back.

they clearly cant measure the work and all the situations that come with it.

llama wrote:First of all I am not even 67+ so I'm not affected by this, therefore don't care what the outcome of this is, I just want people to be aware of the effect of the 1% rule.

Before the rule, kIkA used to get 1.1kk (including horn usage) for selling all the drops from BK, and doing all the work. I think most people will find this fair, considering the work it takes to sell the drops.
After the rule, when angelswings is introduced, it now changes to 1%. Since the 1% rule started, the money taken from shares for BK work has averaged 4.991.000, which is 2.495.500 each, minus shouts which will be around 2.4kk each.

I agree, taking 5kk away from the shares really doesn't add up to much when it's shared between 150+ people, but the fact is, kIkA is getting more money for doing less work. I don't think that's fair, I think 1kk is enough for doing BK work, and if she introduces angelswings to help sell BK drops then I don't think she should be getting more money from the drops because she is doing less work...

Since the rule was introduced, the smallest amount taken from BK has been 2.455.000(1.227.500 each minus horns) while the largest has been 7.565.000(3.782.500 each minus horns). That's a lot of reward for selling drops...

I think they should both get 1.1kk each,

1st of all: I am replying before read all others replies.
2nd: I am not getting more payment for less work LOLOLOLOL 3424109823489023412389042 times LOL.
I have now angels' help and I am SHARING with her the 1% thing and I am NOT taking horns usage + 1%. I am taking ONLY the 1% thing and I am paying the horns from my own pocket. Its not 1% for her and 1% for me. Its 1% for share with 2 ppl.

What some minimum ppl dont get it is:

1. Im sharing with angels, 1% is NOT ONLY for me.

2. Its not less work, its the same.

3. I am "working" with a risk that ppl dont realize. The 1% can be 5kk ( to split for 2 ) OR 900k ( it means 450 each ). I think ppl remember when we got 900k share not long time ago.

4. As I said in ( 3 ), I have a risk, so if we got this ammount it was lucky.

5. It takes each person around 20k. But I understand now.. The problem is not the 20k each one. But two ppl who do all this job and REALLY GREAT job, getting as payment, like 2kk each bk.

6. I rise the payment cuz 1kk OR 1,1kk as you say ( cuz of the horns used ),dont worth the time that angels and I spend on BK work, doing all fine and fair for all get shares.

7. Share its not less than used to be, only cuz I added the "1% rule" as u say. You can check that everyone is getting the same shares as others bk's. As I said: depends on drops.

llama wrote:I'm not saying they should change the seller, I'm saying getting 1kk is
enough reward for selling drops. They do it at least two times a week,
which if taken the average, will get almost 5kk each on top of the
actual share, saying "only" is quite an understatement, it's quite a
lot of reward for selling drops each week.

Don't get me wrong I know it's a lot of work, but halving the work and increasing the reward at the same time seems quite unfair to me...

BTW... Dont add our personal share as payment for BK work.
We get share as normal players on lvl limit and in SS's conditions for it.

uhm the share you get as a cjb at bk should never come into the picture.. ppl cant expect you to heal nd not get that share

Oh well, we got like 3 topics discussing the same thing, i wonder why ppl cant keep only 1 with this subject.

And i wonder why ppl keep pointing the same things after those being explained and re-explained.

I guess they quit school.

Kika wrote:
2nd: I am not getting more payment for less work LOLOLOLOL 3424109823489023412389042 times LOL.
I have now angels' help and I am SHARING with her the 1% thing and I am NOT taking horns usage + 1%. I am taking ONLY the 1% thing and I am paying the horns from my own pocket. Its not 1% for her and 1% for me. Its 1% for share with 2 ppl.

1. Im sharing with angels, 1% is NOT ONLY for me.

I am in no way disrespecting you Kika, I'm not whinging or anything, I'm just expressing an opinion... Like I said I'm not even 67+ so I don't even go to BK, and even if I did it's only maybe 30k difference, if that.

You are sharing the load, yes. But ever since this 1% rule has been introduced, the average (at the time of first post) has been almost 5kk, which is almost 2.5kk each, yes I know you are paying for the horns out of your own pocket, I mentioned both of those in my first post. Before the rule you got 1.1kk including horns for doing everything yourself(officially), and afterwards you're getting an average of 2.5kk each, minus away the money it takes for horns.

I said in my first post that you both share the 1%, I even divided the average of 1% by 2 to show how much you both get....

2. Its not less work, its the same.

It's the same amount of work, but divided between two people.

3. I am "working" with a risk that ppl dont realize. The 1% can be 5kk ( to split for 2 ) OR 900k ( it means 450 each ). I think ppl remember when we got 900k share not long time ago.

4. As I said in ( 3 ), I have a risk, so if we got this ammount it was lucky.

While calculating the averages of every BK that has been recorded with
the 1% rule, the least amount of share you have earned is 2.455.000 (1.227.500 each) out
of 8 BKs. That's still more than you used to get. I know you are
working with a risk but you are much more likely to be "lucky" than you are to be "unlucky", where 0 times out of 8 you earned more than what you used to (1.1kk)

5. It takes each person around 20k. But I understand now.. The problem is not the 20k each one. But two ppl who do all this job and REALLY GREAT job, getting as payment, like 2kk each bk.

I agree that it is a great job, and I know it's only around 20k, but it's not about the difference in shares it's that you used to get 1.1kk for doing all the work alone, but now getting more than that for getting help.

6. I rise the payment cuz 1kk OR 1,1kk as you say ( cuz of the horns used ),dont worth the time that angels and I spend on BK work, doing all fine and fair for all get shares.

That's what my post is about, asking what's fair or not, personally I don't think it's fair, 1kk is a lot of money these days, and to do a job like that twice (or more if server crashes) can start to earn a lot of geons. I haven't been online much in the past month, but when I used to no life on Kal I didn't see BK horns used very often, instead of the usual "send your BK ss to (email)" shout, and sometimes when people are offline, but that's all.

7. Share its not less than used to be, only cuz I added the "1% rule" as u say. You can check that everyone is getting the same shares as others bk's. As I said: depends on drops.

I didn't say shares are less than they used to be, I didn't even mention that it's bad for the people getting the share. I just think it's too much reward for doing the job.

angelswings wrote:~~~

I know that Kika catches a lot of flack for this, and well that's just what you get with anything, you can't please everyone, and there are people who only think of themselves or are just downright rude/immature/greedy etc, I think anybody who starts doing the BK drops selling job has to be prepared for it, and I respect Kika for putting up with it for so long.

7 RBs is a bit much, but there are some things you just can't stop, calling her a BK scammer is really uncalled for when all info is posted up on the forum here.

Anyway, my whole post was asking what's fair and what's not. IMO 1% is too much, but that's just me. I'm not saying it should definitely be put back to 1kk or whatever, I just don't see the logic in increasing the reward for less work load.

hasnt it been.. angels has always helped.. but is now just being brought into the limelight.. kika could of easily taken all the credit.. when she took this increase.. why she didnt? b/c shes fair about it.. so instead of thinking.. wow shes getting paid less for more.. is better to think.. shes getting a raise for the good work she does.. nd before you say.. well a raise? whats to stop her from taking it all.. next time she needs a raise.. well most jobs.. cap off.. i mean even in ure working somwhere for 50 years.. you wont be making 200$ an hour.. so just think of it as.. kikas made her cap off of the job.. nd receiving her raise..

[gramatical errors etc.. /half asleep.. ]

I just now saw this thread and there is waaaaay to much bla bla for me to read it all, but all i want to say is, anyone who thinks 1% is too much has no idea how much work goes into this selling. Many of us have said all along the seller should get something, I thought maybe an extra share. Either way, the first time the 1% came out I figured up how much per person it was and it amounted to about the same price as a moving. How can 1 moving out of our pockets be too much??? Attackers only need to show up and take a few SS's, then they can go back to playing or working or sleeping or just waiting on their shares, whatever.
Selling can make you CRAZY, there's no way it should go uncompensated, and 1% won't break us.

llama wrote: I haven't been online much in the past month, but when I used to no life on Kal I didn't see BK horns used very often, instead of the usual "send your BK ss to (email)" shout, and sometimes when people are offline, but that's all.

So as u said... U wasnt online that much to see...
I am always shouting, about drops offers while Im selling and and ppl not on, or not enough offers or so.. and when stupid ppl attack me for no reason, but silly things.