about BlackList

BriIGIada wrote:

if some1 kill a person in a house ....the one who killed the person sell that hause ... does it mean that ther buyer is also a killer ?

well i dont think so ...

but didnt happen like this
a better example would be like:

You go to a store with a friend then he decide to steal this store, and u are with him not stealing but u are by his side. Then after steal it u both decide to run away and at some part of it u decide to not get along with ur friend, but u dont call the police to catch him, u just decided to ignore that. But there was cameras on that store and those cameras saw u with ur friend stealing the store. well u are not the person who stole but u are his accomplice what makes u a criminal too and the police wont take easy with u.

BriIGIada wrote:
and to kika ... u should also get blacklisted ... u took 1 % from BK
money ... and u didnt ask all ppl if they agree with that ... i mean ..
maybe there is some1 who would do that job with 0.5 %?! you took the
money without asking all ....even if some1 is afk while BK ... he also
get blacklisted ... and he would get only 1-3.5kk.... but u took 4+kk !
.... that i call scamming and you must also get blacklisted!

and u say "u are fair " ? huh ... you are scammer for sure ...

pff now u made me laugh...

taking like 20k from each person that goes to bk just because she has to spend manyyyyyyyyyyy hours doing this bk stuff is not scamming lol, its quite cheap i'd say, for all the work she has to do...
u dont have a fking idea how it's stressing to check 30+ screens and having all kal picking on her.
taking 1% for checking screen shots, updating the web making everything clear, selling the drops ( take offers and selling) just to give a better share for everyone and having to talk with dumb asses like u, is pretty fair.

u dont even know the meaning of scamming... she is taking 1%? yes, that's the payiment for her hard work.

u are the scammer here, so just STFU
u are needing money? go fish and stop to bother us

well i think there is no point to talk with kids like you MAKINA .... u cant even read what i wrote to you and your scammer kika ... i dont care anymore about that BK ....u can put me on BL .... but trust me ... "i was fair, i am fair and i will be always fair!" .. so i dont care what kids like you are talking about me ... u just want me on BL to have less attackers and get more money for share .... thats the point why u do this .... there are many ppl who got angry coz of that 1 % .... they dont tell it here coz they are afraid to get blacklisted by Mrs Scammer Kika... (and i must tell you 1 think .... BK changed you both ... that money makes you crasy as i see .... )
bb and hf with scamming hanin ...

Pot calling the kettle black. Brig theres no need for you to get all nasty. If there are people that are angry over 1% then let them post here and we can discuss it. Noone is gonna flame anyone for a mature, reasonable conversation. people get flamed because they have poor attitudes and make rash judgements like yourself. I'm sorry that you chose to buy a character with a bad rep, but it was your choice to do that. "The tribe as spoken" Majority of the regulars at BK don't want that character to receive fair shares from BK. Sorry. But its time to stop beating a dead horse.

As far as kika being a scammer... Get over yourself. There isn't one thing that happens with these BK's that isn't public or viewable in a SS. You want to call her a scammer? Then you best include me in that too. I help kika with every part of it besides the selling and sending shares. I help in posting the parties and deciding who recieves share and who doesn't based on proper SS's etc. I help in running the shop and updating offers. I help with most all of it. I know how much time and effort is put into it all. I know. We both have families and jobs an lives and STILL we take hours of each week to help do all of this so that the FAIR players in KAL can receive theur shares. There is receiving the drops, opening shop, keeping shop running instead of running a fisher or something that is useful to ourselves. There is updating offers as often as possible. Theres sorting thru the BullShit offers like "1kk for dagger" knowing there are 2 different daggers in shop. Its not our place to decide which drop you are offering on. People need to specify. Theres taking SS's of ALL the offers and ALL sales etc. Then there are the parties. Going thru each and every email that comes in. Usually around 30+ Sorting thru minimum of 4 SS's per email. Making sure all is right so that each person rightfully gets their share. Then there are the SS's that are wrong.
Trying to help those parties by PMing them or emailing them back... at some point you have to stop babysitting people and rely on them to do it right. But if we "let it slide" for one we have to for all. Once the SS's are all updated and parties listed.. theres the spamming of "why isn't my party listed....." and we have to sort thru and explain. Finally, sale time comes and kika has to sort thru all those that offered, PM those that have offered get them in party, go thru bidding etc til drops sale. Then, we finally get to sending shares. Here we go back to the SS's where kika has to find the party leaders of all parties, verify how much is to go to each party and send them. Oh and don't forget we've been taking SS's all along... Even after all that is done, its not always finished... Imagine doing this twice a week, every week. Then imagine the weeks we have 3 and 4 kills... try keeping all that straight. What parties, what drops, what offers... based on which kill....

All of this work, all the SS's and time and shouts and putting of with the petty stuff... and you don't think its worth it for she and I to gain something from it? I am not in this to gain money. I have helped kika for a while without any benefit, just because I know how much it takes to TRYYYYYYY to keep people happy. But as you can see... noone can make everyone happy. Every person that has tried to take on this task of keeping shit straight has been flamed for one reason or another. She and i both take time from our families to do this. We both miss out on chances to level just so we can keep this thing going... I finally have a baby sitter today and you know what Im doing? Im sitting here updating shop and offers and parties and For some damn reason I am having to defend kika and ultimately myself to You.

I applaud kika for doing what she does, for spending time she has to do things right and keeping it fair. If you want to discuss something then do it like an adult. Talk like someone that has a little sense and maybe then people will take you seriously and talk back to you. You don't think she's fair? At least she took the TIME( here we are again with the taking time from our lives...) to ask all parties and take a vote for YOU! She could have just said no and been done with it.

BriIGIada wrote:and to kika ... u should also get blacklisted ... u took 1 % from BK money ... and u didnt ask all ppl if they agree with that ... i mean .. maybe there is some1 who would do that job with 0.5 %?! you took the money without asking all ....even if some1 is afk while BK ... he also get blacklisted ... and he would get only 1-3.5kk.... but u took 4+kk ! .... that i call scamming and you must also get blacklisted!

and u say "u are fair " ? huh ... you are scammer for sure ...

1st: I talked to the tank party about it. 1kk as payment, u think is enough? Its like 1 rb. LOL... Make me laugh..
2nd: think in all work that I do with angelswings helping me now:

* Check all emails/ ss's / pay attention in lvls, if ss is not fake, if ppl were really there;
* Create a new topic with all the tables;
* Update the parties in web;
* Make a shop
* Check everytime is possible, pms with the offers ( when i not working, sleeping or playing or doing others thing out of the computer );
* Updating the offers in web;
* All this for 2 days!
* Sell the drops ( the worst and sometimes, I spend ONLY selling drops, about 2 hours, 2 and half hours. );
* Make all the counts: how many ppl, how much cash from drops, how much each one gonna get, bla bla;
* And finally, Sharing with all party leaders. ( making counts + sharing with the party leaders more 2, 3 hours )
* Ah!! And there's the scales also. I have the scales email to check and send also.

Its like 4 days/week ( cuz 2 bk/week ) that I work on it. That I spend my time on it. That I could do other things.

AND, as I said, if some1 wanna get this job, pls, talk to tank party. I only do this because THEY asked me to do it. I didnt ask for it. THEY came to me and asked.
AND, the 1% I share with angelswings. So, no. I never got more than 4kk as payment LOLOLOL.
My personal share doesnt count, cuz I was there doing my job, healing my bk party.

So, SU before u say a word against me. I Never scammed any drops from BK. I never scammed any shares from BK. Im getting my payment for my work. You dont work for free, do u?
I dont need to explain myself to you. If tank party thinks I am scammer, so, they dont should give drops to me for sell. And btw... Its not kwartai party that get drops all the time. Others parties got it also, and they asked to me for sell. So huh.... They are stupid? Giving drops for a scammer to sell? I dont think so.

You know what inferno did. And he did wrong! I was in KU when he did it and I remember really well, when Martis asked him to not scamm and give the drops to DarkMood, and he didnt do that.
If you bought a scammer char, thats YOUR problem. Not ours. Not my problem. Only yours.
If u wanna get shares in bk, use ur char HFBrigada ( if 67+ of course ).

And, as u asked in some words before this one, I wont ask "which char we should block from BK" LOL.
All chars that are blacklisted = same reason. SCAMMERS.
So, if someone is on blacklist, everyone must to be in also. Not only 1 or 2.

If u dont like it, thats your own problem. Live with it.

BriIGIada wrote: .... there are many ppl who got angry coz of that 1 % .... they dont tell it here coz they are afraid to get blacklisted by Mrs Scammer Kika...

Dear, If I could blacklist of BK, EVERYONE who piss me off in this server... OMG... Share should be really good... I am fair darling. I wont blacklist anyone with no serious reasons ABOUT BK.
My personal problems dont involve BK. I am a pro.
Sry if u arent.

Brigiada, r dumb or what?
U shouldnt have gone this far, especially being one of the scammers which player inferno's acc.

As i said, for u to prove any kinda of fairness will b hard. Id say impossible in my eyes.

Since u quit and gave ur itens to Inferno and helped a scammer, u had access do the acc and didnt do anything to change the respulsive thing he did. So, who r to talk abt fairness? 1% is nothing from each player, anyway, u cant complain abt that since u r just some player that have absolutely NO RIGHT to give tips and suggestions abt bk, right? U r just a blacklisted scammer, and, even if not really scammer u supported him.
So, stfu b4 talking abt kika and angels job, bc they r doing smth that none would like to, that takes many hours and alot of stress and taking 3~5kk in exchange for 2 ppl isnt that much, actually they could take even 5%.

So, brigi, su and stop whining.

BriIGIada wrote:well i think there is no point to talk with kids like you MAKINA .... u cant even read what i wrote to you and your scammer kika ... i dont care anymore about that BK ....u can put me on BL .... but trust me ... "i was fair, i am fair and i will be always fair!" .. so i dont care what kids like you are talking about me ... u just want me on BL to have less attackers and get more money for share .... thats the point why u do this .... there are many ppl who got angry coz of that 1 % .... they dont tell it here coz they are afraid to get blacklisted by Mrs Scammer Kika... (and i must tell you 1 think .... BK changed you both ... that money makes you crasy as i see .... )
bb and hf with scamming hanin ...

You are one weird dude/dudette

You're buying a scamm account (at best). Live with the consequences....
And you know what is worse? You knew the account was used to scamm and by buying that account you even supported this scammer to get more money out of it.

CHEESUS has always been very friendly and helpfull to me. I've sold him a horn of doggebi cheaper then the highest offer I had at that time and I will help him whenever I can, but.... he also knew about the account he bought. And I will not support him to get from the black list easily.

I think everyone should be given a 2nd change and let's face it, it is 'only a game'. There is a big but however... Scamming shouldn't be allowed to be profitable. So IMHO, the 'punishment' should be at least twice as hard as the profit.

BTW... yesterday, I saw a lot of shouts congratulating NarutaruPL for reaching lvl 73. Many people seem to forget they all payed for the gear he's using to get there because of his scamming...

[Fictional conversation]
@Kwartai Alloha
@SplashyFlip oi oi
@Kwartai I think it is not fair that you have to work so hard to get your gear.
@Kwartai How about we scamm a few BK's
@Kwartai As soon as new G65 parts start to drop, you'll have the cash to buy them
@Kwartai I could use some G65 parts myself as well, so I don't need to borrow gear from you-know-who everytime if I wanna solo a bit
@Kwartai You know how hard it is for me to party cause of my IRL situation
@SplashyFlip jij gekke sjup [roughly translated: you crazy clown]
@Kwartai No, I am serious.. Would also lower the amount of parties going to BK's if people won't get share.
@Kwartai Those loosers that 'play' 2 or 3 accounts won't come anymore, no more fake parties
@Kwartai And the people that go for share will be less as well...
@Kwartai Much better EXP and we'll have loads of geons after a few weeks
@Kwartai after a few weeks we'll say we are so sorry
@Kwartai we won't go for a few weeks or better, we'll just start handing drops in for fair share to all again.
@Kwartai I even got a better idea, we'll only share if there are less then 20 parties
@Kwartai Just share with a few stormparties and the people that won't call us scammers... should be less then 20 parties anyway
@Kwartai we'll pretend to be really sorry, but meanwhile, we'll have loads of geons and the best gear money can buy.
@Kwartai When we have enough geon, we can even say we won't take share for a couple of months..
@Kwartai We won't need geons even, cause we'll have everything we need for a while anyway
@Kwartai LOL.. we can get away with it easily... If they wanna come sin us, who cares for a couple of rebirths
@Kwartai and what sin in singear would be able to kill our party.. Sure they might be able to kill me, but fast rebirth and I can heal again
etc...

another option

@Kwartai Let's change BK's
@Kwartai We'll make it so 12 parties only get share
@Kwartai 2 drop parties, 2 stormparties and 8 parties can join via lottery system.
@Kwartai would be less people there, so better exp
@Kwartai and much better share
etc....

[/fictional conversation]

Ofcourse this is not what we want or would do. We are fair people and try to do the right thing. We want to get our gear/geon in a fair way even if that takes hard work and long grinding. kIkA is doing a great job. If she gets 1%.. fine by me (I already proposed to give organizer 1 extra share back when DarkMood was organizing BK's).

One other thing....

If I would have access to an account that was used to scamm, I wouldn't login and retreive the scammed items. I would talk with the responsable person, but I would not steal the items back. And I don't think you can ask that of anyone. I'd rather repay scammed people with my own money.

/just a few thoughts

1st: @kika : if she would ask attackers first ... it would be totally ok ! even if she would take 5 % + ... i wouldnt care about that .. but my opinion is .... FIRST ASK...OR MAKE A VOTE ... if they agree ... then its ok ... if not .. then let other ppl do it ... "i would also say yes.. but who cares..."
2nd: Fani is in tank party too ? well she told me that no1 asked her about extra cash for kika ...
3nd: before i quited i earned my money with reselling .... and that money isnt scammed ... so i didnt suppoert him with scammed money ... my money"stuff was/were legal .... and when i quited kal ... i just deleted my kal folder ... and i told inferno in msn that "i got pissed off that ppl call me as scammer ... and its not even my fault" thats all what i told him ..... i didnt tell him to keep my items ...i just quited... after 1-2 weeks then i went to privat server... around 5-6 months later I HEAR THAT inferno has sold his items for real money ...
4th: before i bought that char ... i didnt see that "InFeRnOJeReZ" was in blacklist....
5th: when i logged in on that char again .... that char was clean "no scammed items, no money, just nothing!"
6th: before u call me as scammer .... pls show me a SS or dunno what ... to prove that..... else stfu pls
7th: when i came back to hanin ... kika has put me on blacklist and she said ... "sry but many ppl said to blacklist you"... then she started a vote about me... she said if more ppl would vote for me .... then she gonna unblacklist me .... well finally she unblacklisted me ... THAT MEANS THAT MORE PPL WANTED TO UNBLACKLIST ME,RIGHT? and now i am blacklisted too... fair wah?
8th: when u started your last vote about "unblacklist all ppl or not" ... well i didnt see my name on blacklist ... and DrSilence also ... means ... that the vote wasnt for/about me or what?
9th: i know how much time,etc BK takes ...
10th: if i am blacklisted ... then do it ... i can get geons for € ... i just didnt want to spend too much money for a game ... coz i dont have much time to play it ...

BriIGIada wrote:1st: @kika : if she would ask attackers first ... it would be totally ok ! even if she would take 5 % + ... i wouldnt care about that .. but my opinion is .... FIRST ASK...OR MAKE A VOTE ... if they agree ... then its ok ... if not .. then let other ppl do it ... "i would also say yes.. but who cares..."
2nd: Fani is in tank party too ? well she told me that no1 asked her about extra cash for kika ...
3nd: before i quited i earned my money with reselling .... and that money isnt scammed ... so i didnt suppoert him with scammed money ... my money"stuff was/were legal .... and when i quited kal ... i just deleted my kal folder ... and i told inferno in msn that "i got pissed off that ppl call me as scammer ... and its not even my fault" thats all what i told him ..... i didnt tell him to keep my items ...i just quited... after 1-2 weeks then i went to privat server... around 5-6 months later I HEAR THAT inferno has sold his items for real money ...
4th: before i bought that char ... i didnt see that "InFeRnOJeReZ" was in blacklist....
5th: when i logged in on that char again .... that char was clean "no scammed items, no money, just nothing!"
6th: before u call me as scammer .... pls show me a SS or dunno what ... to prove that..... else stfu pls
7th: when i came back to hanin ... kika has put me on blacklist and she said ... "sry but many ppl said to blacklist you"... then she started a vote about me... she said if more ppl would vote for me .... then she gonna unblacklist me .... well finally she unblacklisted me ... THAT MEANS THAT MORE PPL WANTED TO UNBLACKLIST ME,RIGHT? and now i am blacklisted too... fair wah?
8th: when u started your last vote about "unblacklist all ppl or not" ... well i didnt see my name on blacklist ... and DrSilence also ... means ... that the vote wasnt for/about me or what?
9th: i know how much time,etc BK takes ...
10th: if i am blacklisted ... then do it ... i can get geons for € ... i just didnt want to spend too much money for a game ... coz i dont have much time to play it ...

About everything u said here.... I asked to Kwartai about the payment. She said ok for her and for tank party. You really think 1kk to share for 2 ppl is enough to do all what angels and I do? Make me laugh. Fani is tank party too, idk if kwartai asked her, but kwartai said to me its all fine for tank party. I have the conversation on my msn. Btw... Fani never answer if we ask sth anyway. She didnt even answered my FL, asking about the blacklist ppl. She didnt say a word about it.
U said I can get 5% LOL... U called me scammer with 1% ( that I share with angels )... U are funny...
You wasnt in blacklist, and DrSilence too. BUT, a lot of ppl came to me saying that to be fair to all, I should BL every char who scammed in BK. And they are right.
Then, I talked to kwartai and she asked to make a vote. To send FL to every perm party leader to ask their members. They answered. You know the ss's. LordHrosci has it.
And when u say: "kika blacklist me". You are wrong. YOUR ACCOUNT blacklisted you. As I said. Its only your problem. AND I never asked about ONLY you, or ONLY Ewola, for ex. I asked about ALL SCAMMERS CHARS that is blacklisted. I didnt even asked about the ppl who made fake ss.
And NO! You HAVE NO IDEA how much time BK stuffs needed.

Im done with u.

SplashyFlip wrote:
[Fictional conversation]
@Kwartai Alloha
@SplashyFlip oi oi
@Kwartai I think it is not fair that you have to work so hard to get your gear.
@Kwartai How about we scamm a few BK's
@Kwartai As soon as new G65 parts start to drop, you'll have the cash to buy them
@Kwartai I could use some G65 parts myself as well, so I don't need to borrow gear from you-know-who everytime if I wanna solo a bit
@Kwartai You know how hard it is for me to party cause of my IRL situation
@SplashyFlip jij gekke sjup [roughly translated: you crazy clown]
@Kwartai No, I am serious.. Would also lower the amount of parties going to BK's if people won't get share.
@Kwartai Those loosers that 'play' 2 or 3 accounts won't come anymore, no more fake parties
@Kwartai And the people that go for share will be less as well...
@Kwartai Much better EXP and we'll have loads of geons after a few weeks
@Kwartai after a few weeks we'll say we are so sorry
@Kwartai we won't go for a few weeks or better, we'll just start handing drops in for fair share to all again.
@Kwartai I even got a better idea, we'll only share if there are less then 20 parties
@Kwartai Just share with a few stormparties and the people that won't call us scammers... should be less then 20 parties anyway
@Kwartai we'll pretend to be really sorry, but meanwhile, we'll have loads of geons and the best gear money can buy.
@Kwartai When we have enough geon, we can even say we won't take share for a couple of months..
@Kwartai We won't need geons even, cause we'll have everything we need for a while anyway
@Kwartai LOL.. we can get away with it easily... If they wanna come sin us, who cares for a couple of rebirths
@Kwartai and what sin in singear would be able to kill our party.. Sure they might be able to kill me, but fast rebirth and I can heal again
etc...

another option

@Kwartai Let's change BK's
@Kwartai We'll make it so 12 parties only get share
@Kwartai 2 drop parties, 2 stormparties and 8 parties can join via lottery system.
@Kwartai would be less people there, so better exp
@Kwartai and much better share
etc....

[/fictional conversation]

AWSOME! lol...

1st ... i called you as scammer coz u didnt ask before ...2rd .. i am still not blacklisted ... u get 1 % right ? so do your work and blacklist me ... 3rd ... even if u blacklist me here .... i dont care what u all say about me ... i was fair , i am fair and i always will be fair ... i can life without BK ... so bb and hf

BriIGIada wrote:1st ... i called you as scammer coz u didnt ask before ...2rd .. i am still not blacklisted ... u get 1 % right ? so do your work and blacklist me ... 3rd ... even if u blacklist me here .... i dont care what u all say about me ... i was fair , i am fair and i always will be fair ... i can life without BK ... so bb and hf

bb

angels said me yesterday i should read Forum, ok i have now. Not all but enough ^^

about kIkA

i think its more than ok if she take 1 kk for the work @forum and shop, there is nothing more to say i think ...

@Ewola i have talk with him today and its for sure Electus and he is one of the fairest Player in Kal .. behind SmEE ofcourse ,so i can give a vote for Yes he should got Share, but he havnt talk with SmEE or CruelCoroner only with PowerOfLove and he have much to work atm. Thats the Point why there was trouble cuz nobody did noticed it that Ewola are Electus. Comunication ftw ...

The other ones i am not sure i dont know this persons, only what i know this guys have accounts which have scammed in the past.

thx for support

greaz

even in gods eye all ppl got a 2nd chance, why not in ur eyes kika? :>

ur arguments are also funny...
"we dont bl people, only the characters" as far as i understood.
i think there is a logical mistake, not the characters play the people, the people play the characters.
like i said i would give a 2nd chance to every1, cos dont forget... its just a game, the worst thing what will be happen is that every1 will lose 2-4kk...wohoo /cry.

well, sM, once again u r wrong.
or arguments also have flaws
starting by the way u interpretated kikas arguments

is not abt "only the char" but is abt proving, for real thats another person playing the char, plus, is also a matter of the old owners not having access to there anymore,

Besides it, brigiadas case is even more singular, since he had access to Infernos acc when the real inferno scammed.

One more thing, sM, if u dont remember, or, if u dunno ill let u know now
when silber scammed 4 BKs sometime ago the total shares would b like around 16~20kk each person

and thats a lot of money.
so, not necessarely the scammers will steal 2~4kk
also they can do like Pima did, and if they get a party strong enough to get drops everytime, or even find some bug to do it then we will become hostages again, getting low shares, not having the right to buy stuff that their party want and being made of fools.

that would cost a lot more than 2ç4kk each.