Kika governing BK times?

Once again on Saturday the server went down during war. When I logged on, Kika was telling us in shouts that bosskill would be at 20:30 German (or something like that), so people with war and army would be able to play. I'm really confused why she does this, or why we let her. It's my belief, and stated by Kika, that she is only the dropseller. Bosskill does not belong to her, only selling the drops does. She got the dropseller job because Kwartai asked her to, but it's my understanding she was never asked to govern over the entire kill. Therefore I don't understand how she has the authority to tell us when we can attack.

None of us have any control over when the server goes down and nails spawn, it's just the luck of the draw. So it will obviously never be convenient for all, but what about people that maybe have time during war but not after? How is it fair to them if we put it off? I say when the nails spawn, we kill the boss. Each person has the choice to play war, army, pvp, or whatever, or go to BK.

Kika should have NO authority regarding bosskills until the drops are in her inventory, and then her authority should be limited to the selling and sending of shares only, that's what we pay her for. The selling and the killing should be viewed as two seperate entities. It's also totally inappropriate for her to threaten with blacklisting if people go to kill early. Blacklisting should be resevered for scammers. The KILL belongs to the server, the DROPSELLING belongs to Kika.

TrashcanMan wrote:None of us have any control over when the server goes down and nails spawn, it's just the luck of the draw. So it will obviously never be convenient for all, but what about people that maybe have time during war but not after? How is it fair to them if we put it off? I say when the nails spawn, we kill the boss. Each person has the choice to play war, army, pvp, or whatever, or go to BK.

I can agree with this actually.

TrashcanMan wrote:Once again on Saturday the server went down during war. When I logged on, Kika was telling us in shouts that bosskill would be at 20:30 German (or something like that), so people with war and army would be able to play. I'm really confused why she does this, or why we let her. It's my belief, and stated by Kika, that she is only the dropseller. Bosskill does not belong to her, only selling the drops does. She got the dropseller job because Kwartai asked her to, but it's my understanding she was never asked to govern over the entire kill. Therefore I don't understand how she has the authority to tell us when we can attack.

See? ^^ Its that history... "you came late and wanna get the best place on the plane."
I had shouted about it, Trash. And a bit early that SS that I posted here, I shouted too that BK dont belongs to me, so ppl can kill anytime they want. I just couldnt take SS cuz I didnt remember that. But u can ask ppl that was online and saw it.

TrashcanMan wrote: None of us have any control over when the server goes down and nails spawn, it's just the luck of the draw. So it will obviously never be convenient for all, but what about people that maybe have time during war but not after? How is it fair to them if we put it off? I say when the nails spawn, we kill the boss. Each person has the choice to play war, army, pvp, or whatever, or go to BK.

I tolly agree with that.

TrashcanMan wrote:Kika should have NO authority regarding bosskills until the drops are in her inventory, and then her authority should be limited to the selling and sending of shares only, that's what we pay her for. The selling and the killing should be viewed as two seperate entities. It's also totally inappropriate for her to threaten with blacklisting if people go to kill early. Blacklisting should be resevered for scammers. The KILL belongs to the server, the DROPSELLING belongs to Kika.

I NEVER said BK belongs to me and I never said I have authority of BK's.
And about blacklisted ppl NOT because scam or fake ss's: Its when they try to mess up with BK when we are there already and they only tries to kill nails fast to bother and mess up with the respawn.

TrashcanMan wrote:...The KILL belongs to the server...

You are right... But if kill belongs to the server, why not be fair and wait for everyone, since they FOR SURE, could be in BK if they wasnt at war/pvp?

kIkA, I have great respect for what you and angelswings do regarding the selling of the BK drops. But I can't accept your arbitrary decision regarding the last server crash.

For some time now the unwritten rule has been that as soon as there is a server crash or a server reset a BK will follow immediately after. Now, if I recall correctly when Pima tried to make a boss kill during war time, the tank party left war and took the drops. At the time it was decided that should it happen again the tank party would destroy the drops, not "share with all". I can understand this. War is a pvp that people go to not just for themselves but for their guild. And setting a BK during war time could generate a lot of internal guild drama.

However, I don't see how this applies to Army pvp. We don't move BK time to accomodate for guilds in 3.1-3.3 or for people in Duel Tournament. Why is Army any different? You say you want to be fair. But where does it end? BK time right now is set at the middle of the night in europe. But if kill belongs to the server, why not be fair and wait for everyone, since they FOR SURE, could be in BK if they were awake?

IMO, you either say across the board: we do BK at the times that the most people can come. OR you have BK immediately after a server crash. And not some middle of the road arbitrarily chosen time. I'm not arguing for BK time after maint to be changed. There will always be people that cannot come due to timing. And sorry.. but, too bad for them.

Damra wrote:kIkA, I have great respect for what you and angelswings do regarding the selling of the BK drops. But I can't accept your arbitrary decision regarding the last server crash.

For some time now the unwritten rule has been that as soon as there is a server crash or a server reset a BK will follow immediately after. Now, if I recall correctly when Pima tried to make a boss kill during war time, the tank party left war and took the drops. At the time it was decided that should it happen again the tank party would destroy the drops, not "share with all". I can understand this. War is a pvp that people go to not just for themselves but for their guild. And setting a BK during war time could generate a lot of internal guild drama.

However, I don't see how this applies to Army pvp. We don't move BK time to accomodate for guilds in 3.1-3.3 or for people in Duel Tournament. Why is Army any different? You say you want to be fair. But where does it end? BK time right now is set at the middle of the night in europe. But if kill belongs to the server, why not be fair and wait for everyone, since they FOR SURE, could be in BK if they were awake?

IMO, you either say across the board: we do BK at the times that the most people can come. OR you have BK immediately after a server crash. And not some middle of the road arbitrarily chosen time. I'm not arguing for BK time after maint to be changed. There will always be people that cannot come due to timing. And sorry.. but, too bad for them.

I tolly agree with u, Damra. But idk if u know... I already asked ppl to change BK time. But as you know, its not my decision.
As I said, BK dont belongs to me. But its kal. And you know that if we try change the bk time ( after maint ), for sure we gonna have a surprise next day ^^
Btw.. The bk time for me is also not good. Since we have summer time in BR now and maint ends almost 1:00am. We have work, school... Not good for us.
And for those who thinks im saying to wait ppl cuz war/pvp bla bla. Many times I wasnt here when sv crashed and I got Kwartai msn message saying she has the drops and waiting for me.
As u can check in ss that I posted above, u can read that I said NP if some1 kill the boss. Thats all.
But the interesting thing is that ppl always fight with me cuz "kIkA killed nails to early".... " kIkA didnt wait for ppl when everyone get conection problems"...

About everything I am guilty, as ppl says... But everytime that I want to do good things to everyone, I am still guilty ^^

Nice ppl you guys are

I want to stress again how pleased I am that you are willing to sell the drops. I'm not trying to attack you. Nor am I trying to get boss kill time changed. I am not an idiot, and I know what will most likely happen if we wait until a more reasonable time. I just want the same rules to apply to a server crash as to a server reset: The boss will be killed immediately regardless of who can or cannot come. Unless the server decides otherwise.

You say that it was np for others to kill it. But even while your ally chat was full of people wanting to go make a boss kill, even after war, you shouted a time: 20.30. And said that the tank party would "share with all". This is not saying to people: yes go ahead kill. This is threatening to take the drops.

Also, once you shouted the bk time 20.30, most people left. I didn't want to cause more drama and shout myself to call parties. Because I thought it would be better to discuss it here, as you have asked previously (because that is what the forum is for).

I am not blaming you for shouting a time. I just want there to be rules for the next time this happens. If the server decides that we should wait until after army. OK, but then we should wait after *every* army. And not just when the defenders are in it.

Damra wrote: I just want the same rules to apply to a server crash as to a server reset: The boss will be killed immediately regardless of who can or cannot come. Unless the server decides otherwise.

I agree... I dont really care, really.
And about the shout, if some1 got ofended cuz of it, im sorry, it was not intention.

Well said, Damra. I agree we must have a uniform way of assigning kill times. Either we do it immediately following maintenance and server crashes, or we reschedule both to times that are more convenient for the majority. However if we choose the latter, I have a feeling we will see Kika is right and we will wake up the morning after maintenance to an unpleasant surprise. This leads me to believe our only logical option is the first; killing immediately when nails spawn.




Believe me, I understand you catch a lot of B.S. over things like this Kika. Asti does too and often has bluescreens over BK crap, so I hear all about it. But I think if we pick one way of doing it, and stick with it, people will know what to expect and that will cut down on (some of) the spam you get.

Well, is not like i think this is such a big deal.
I think kika did this trying to b fair, anyway, we know is not her call.
Ppl even tried killing the boss b4 the army ended and failed.

I dont think shes being bossy or so, but yeah, i guess trashy is right, we better pick one way and stick with it, will b better to do it right away, cus they failed now, but that doesnt mean those ppl trying to do BKs on their own will fail every time. So, prolly, what seems fair now can become a failure in the future and we suddenly will have another BK drama on our hands.